Wow! Harry, you go get 'em! Great editorial and so very true! Looks like the beginning of a terrific, much needed website.
Dolores (Carpenter) Brewington in Oregon
Researching: CARPENTER, GLYZER, CLAPP/KLAPP in eastern & mid-west USA
SWITZER, CURRY, REID, BOYD, ARMSTRONG in Germany, Ireland & Ontario, Canada
Note: The email for this site has been nearly unanimously in favor of. . . H.T.
email@example.com writes the following:
I have just read your so called 'editorial' concerning The Mahoning
County Chapter of O.G.S., those 'little old ladies' who run it, and
genealogical societies in general. Your facts on these matters, probably
like your genealogy, are full of half truths and misstatements.
True genealogists view people like you with skepticism and a bit of
amusement. Because like most people who do genealogy just from the web
they can not prove, when called to, what they claim with hard facts.
Therein lies your problem with genealogical societies, they want you to
prove what you say. I could create a web site, make it look good, make
it sound really factual and say you're related to Clarence Darrow, or
Charles Darwin. It would all be a lie, unless I had birth and death
records, and other documents, to prove it. Not just some lists off the
As for The Mahoning County Chapter of O.G.S., it was here before
you even knew how to spell genealogy, and as for those little old ladies
they have probably forgotten more th[a]n you know. Just for your
information I am neither old nor a lady but again how could you know
that, you have to take my word for it, you can't see me.
People like you want other people to spend their time in
cemeteries, courthouses and libraries, spend their money to do all the
work and give it to you for free. You need to get a grip on the real
world. Nobody gets anything for free if it's worth having. Either you
don't know how to find the information you need or you're just too
cheap. If you can't afford to do something don't do it.
I, sir, have spent hundreds of hour in cemeteries to produce my
last book, and lot of my own money. It was my choice to give it to the
chapter to publish, so they could make money to publish more. It's
called volunteerism. I have also spent over 2000 hours on my next set of
books, and if you think I should give it to you for free you're living
in a fantasy world. Copy[right] laws are there to protect people like me,
who work to get the information and publish it, from people like you who
want to steal it. By the way, if you think information should all be
free, what are you doing charging people to do their genealogy?
People like you are dangerous because you are purveyors of half
truths and misinformation. I doubt if you will have the intestinal
fortitude to put THIS letter on your web page.
Author and Treasurer, M.C.C.O.G.S.
P.S. Hard proof is something you have in your hand like Death and
Birth Certificates, Marriage Licenses / Certificates, Pension Records,
Land and Tax Records, Census Records and Wills / Estates. Others might
include Obituaries, Family Bibles and cemetery records. I can document
the facts that prove my lineage. Can You? L.J.
Note: As attested to by the letters sent by various members of this chapter, there is a growing controversy between the use of such sites and the need to ascertain the authenticity of one's genealogy. There also are a number of "sleuth" genealogists who do hope that various societies have the foresight to publish secondary sources via the internet. There are ways to charge for information so that so called "copyrighted" authors can still receive his or her just rewards. However, one of the themes of the editorial was to make a comparison between the illiteracy of early England and the dearth of information available to genealogists today. The books that this chapter publishes are comparable to the books held by those monasteries I mentioned. Greater utilization of the internet could have an explosive and liberating educational effect for genealogists if they just weren't too afraid to use it. H.T.
Re: Apple Creek Cemetery/website in general
visit to your website. Good work. In your cemetery searching about the county
did you ever come across a cemetery called Apple Creek? Supposedly, a
grandmother, Tryphena Loomis Andrews, is buried in a cemetery in Apple Creek,
Ohio. I have been to Apple Creek... investigated the cemetery, plus
township records. Nothing. So I am looking elsewhere in and around
northeastern Ohio for a very old cemetery which might bear that name. She
lived in Portage County in early 1800s. I can find no reason for her to be
buried down in Apple Creek. It is not often that a cemetery will be renamed.
However, I suppose it has happened. So I keep making inquiries.
Re: Mahoning Chapter of OGS/Website in general
Dear Mr. Turner:
I have spent the last three winters here and use the time to catch up on my genealogical work. A friend sent your web address to me and I am fascinated by what you are trying to do. It's a little rough around the edges, but I think you're going in the right direction.
I read your "mail bag" and am shocked at the message from Jocelyn Wilms. You see, I remember sitting in the church basement one night in the winter of 92 or 93 (can't remember exactly) when the members talked about publishing the cemetery project. There was talk for years of doing that project. How long did it take to finish?
Don't take no gruff from them old ladies. It took 'em forever to publish their book. It'll take another thirty to do the rest of the cemeteries in Mahoning Co. At my age, you stop worrying about who your ggg grandfather is, but I think the reason you are receiving attitude is because they are scared of change. Shoot, half of 'em still don't know how to operate a computer much less surf the net.
Keep plugging along. I think your site may turn out to be something more than those old ladies ever thoug[h]t.
Note: The opinions of the writer necessarily may not be the opinion of this Site Administrator or this site. However, the Site Administrator can confirm that another member of the Mahoning Chapter of the OGS feels that it is necessary to report the presence of this site to the officers and membership of said chapter. The tone of the email from this chapter member did not appear to be very positive, which is very unfortunate.
Smith's Corners Cemetery; website in general
Note: The writer's contribution to the cemeteries noted above is appreciated. It should also be noted that the purpose of this site isn't necessarily to present a compendium of genealogical information for viewers. One of the missions is to provide lists and indices to show areas that researchers can focus their attention. An honest attempt is being made to provide information that is not easily accessible to a certain cross section of the country. The Mahoning Co. Chapter of the OGS did an absolutely wonderful job in publishing cemetery records for Austintown, Canfield, and Springfield. (The completion of the remainder of the townships would be a tremendous asset to local genealogists.) However, reserving such a book can be a very cumbersome ordeal which can also be very time consuming. Realize that cemetery records are just one of a number of tools. This site was established to use a media form that people all across the nation are turning to more and more. The Site Administrator believes that it is an unfortunate set of circumstances that the chapter mentioned above could be sitting on a gold mine of historical and genealogical data that could very faithfully serve the public by publishing it to an internet site. Does the Mahoning Co. Chapter have a web site or email address?
name is Peggy (Hurdle) Finney and I was born and raised in Youngstown. I think
this is wonderful. I now live in California and without a doubt this will be a
tremendous help in my research. I want to thank you for all your time and
effort. Wonderful site.
Re: McFarlan, Benjamin L., Trumbull Co.
Lora provides the following:
BENJAMIN L. MCFARLAN, whose portrait appears in this volume, is a farmer and stock-raiser of Orange Township, Rush Co., Indiana, and was born in Trumbull County, Ohio, October 14, 1844, and is the son of James and Jane (Kelly) McFarlan. The father was born in Mercer County, Pa., and was the son of a native of Scotland. He was a steamboat man by calling, but died in early life, and when our subject was only a small boy. Our subject was reared by his maternal grandparents, who resided in Mercer County, Pa., but who removed to Indiana in 1853, and settled in Decatur County. Benjamin received a common school education in country schools. He was born a poor boy, and in early life had many obstacles to contend with. He was but a youth of seventeen years when the Civil War broke out, and in August, of 1861, he enlisted in Company E, Seventh Indiana Infantry, and was the youngest of his company, in which company he served till 64, when he re-enlisted as a veteran volunteer of the same; and at the expiration of the three years, of the Seventh Infantry, the veterans of the Seventh, Fourteenth, Nineteenth, and Twentieth were consolidated and known as the Twentieth Infantry, and in which Regiment our subject served till he was mustered out of the service on the 14th of July, 1865, as Orderly Sergeant of his company. At the close of the war he returned to Rush County, and has since been engaged in agricultural pursuits, commencing with a very limited means, but by bard toil and energy he has been successful in the pursuit. He now owns a fine and well-improved farm of eighty acres, and is one of the representative farmers of the County of Rush. He is a progressive and representative citizen. In politics he is an ardent Republican, and has served as County Commissioner of Rush County for one term. In 1866, he was united in marriage with Susan Wood, daughter of Benjamin Wood. One child, a daughter, Alice by name, has blessed the marriage.
History of Rush County Indiana, Brant & Fuller, Chicago, 1888, Page 484 and 485
is a great service you are doing donating your time and efforts to place all
this on the web. Thank YOU.
Re: Website in general and affiliation with the OGS
Dear Mr. Turner,
Note: A disclaimer is now provided at the home page of this web site. It is not affiliated with the Ohio Genealogical Society (OGS), the Mahoning Chapter of the OGS, nor the Mahoning Valley Historical Society. Contrary to the belief of the writer, the original name of this website was not deliberately picked to mislead people. However, out of deference to any organization that believes this site may mimic them, the name was changed to the Youngstown Genealogy Website on 02/21/01.
Re: Moyer, Matthias; Moyer, Samuel; Simon, Leah; new website
Thanks for the new site. It looks promising for good sharing of information. I have information about my family (Matthias Moyer) who settled in Bazetta abt 1830. Moved there from PA. Son (Samuel Moyer) moved to Boardman abt 1851. Married Leah Simon. Built home on South Ave in 1851 (still standing) by Mathews Road. Started the Old Barn Dance hall (still standing) and his son Charles ended up in Poland. I would like to submit this information. I have FTM data but on a Mac. Is there any way I can send you the information? (If anyone knows how to do this, please contact Bob at the above email address.)